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It’s aliiiiiive!

April 2, 2011 3 comments

It’s Psychochild’s project — and not a few other people’s too, actually, but he’s the name on the front of the packet.

It’s called Fae’s Wyrd. It haz online availability. Check it out.

I know, I know, I’m not as absent as I claimed to be. These days, even fishing doesn’t put you out of reach of communications, you know. Cute animal pic should distract you.

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Blogging: the Chinese whipsaw effect?

January 22, 2011 10 comments

Sometimes I love the blogosphere: it binds us together, it enables us to share and circulate ideas, and it allows us to have far-reaching and far-branching debates about all manner of gaming things under the sun.

Sometimes I loathe the blogosphere, for exactly the same reasons.

So as I read the various posts and discussions spawned by Eric of Elder Game’s original post — including my own (Eric link at top, everyone else at the end of the post) — I end up wondering: do we actually read each other, or do we just use each other as opportunities to bang on our own drums, grind our own axes, and stand on our own soapboxes?

I’m bemused and almost irked enough by it to be doing one of these petty, self-justifying set-the-record-straight posts, which in itself irritates me even further. (Doesn’t help that I’ve only had one cup of coffee, come to think of it.*) On the bright side it’s the weekend and nobody reads blog posts over the weekend, so I can mutter quietly and mostly to myself in my corner.

Record–straightening #1. I never said classes were better than not-classes. I said Eric said skill-based is hard, and I agreed with him based on my personal gaming experience. Actually, I do believe I said once or twice that classless is very rewarding, but it’s a lot more work — granted that my only “development” experience of that is for tabletop games, but while I didn’t mess about with million-dollar budgets, I do have some idea of the relative amount of work-time required between managing a classless, skill-based campaign and managing the opposite.

(For those who like this kind of thing underpinned by “evidence,” the tabletop game I ran for the longest time — about 8 years — was Ars Magica, which is pretty much a skill-based game with incredibly messy and open-ended rules, at least the ruleset we used, which was mostly 3rd ed with a smattering of 2nd, 4th and house rules.)

Once again. In a purely theoretical sense I still don’t see what’s so contentious about “skill-based is harder to design and balance than class-based” — I really don’t. As an extremely general statement, it seems pretty straightforward to me. Given the perils of speaking for others at this stage, I won’t — but I certainly never said that just because something is more difficult to design, nobody should bother with it.

Record-straightening #2. I never made any comments about easy/hard and choice/not-choice. Other people’s drums. Sure, I have stuff to say about those things, but I didn’t say them in that post.

I’m still boggling at how this has, once again, become a debate about easy-mode versus iron-man Mr. Real Player, even in terms of development. If you like structure, you’re a sheeple. If you like to be able to screw up your character without hope of recovery, you’re a brave pioneer forging ahead into the wilds of game adventure.

Yeah, whatever.

Yes, I’m paraphrasing rather inaccurately. I felt it was my turn.

I’m definitely starting to think it would be useful for the gaming community as a whole to lose the “if it made me want to chew my arms off, it was BETTER” elitist attitude we’re dragging around with us whether we notice it or not. There are arguments to be made for both simplicity and complexity and they’re a great deal more, um, complicated than simply saying one is better than the other, which is a pretty meaningless assertion without context, actually.

I’m done griping now. Move along. Nothing to see here, classy or otherwise.

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* Please. No advice on how I should quit drinking so much coffee if it makes me that grumpy. Can’t a person even use hyperbole on her site anymore without being adviced-at? I’m really just grumpy by nature and coffee has nothing to do with it. Now get off my damn lawn!

Classless is a pain in the assless

January 20, 2011 22 comments

(Edited with further reading posts at the end.)

Sad classless panda is sad.

AKA: Elder Game’s Eric reckons “classless” is really rather more difficult to design for MMOs than most people are willing to admit. My first reaction was Noooooo! Do not say this! Do not want to hear it! Lalalala!

But common sense generally recognises itself, and certainly in the case of Asheron’s Call what Eric writes jibes exactly with my own experience as a player. Yes, you could technically put your experience points anywhere you liked in AC, and for example end up with a character built like a stick-insect who was capable of crossing the entire map in under two minutes, they ran that fast. But you wouldn’t be able to fight those pesky reedsharks nipping at your backside while you ran, and you’d be easy prey for any zephyr or lounging virindi waiting to shoot a lightning bolt up it.

I know all about this, because my first character — first ever, fresh off the Pen’n’Paper table MMO character — was made in an attempt to approximate reasonable tabletop RPG design. In other words I was careful not to min/max my stats while still having one stat that was a little above the rest, and I picked a nice, rounded variety of skills (Monster appraisal!) that I thought would help me in this new world of online role-playing.

As a result, Eloise was a gimp and remained a gimp for a long time, until it became possible to slowly move stats from one attribute to another and to drop/acquire skills. The very fact that the AC community rapidly evolved a term for being a sub-optimal character — “gimp” — shows that the players, at least, perceived some builds as good and most others as, well, crap. And while players are asshats and often meaner than a sackful of weasels, many of them also know how to crunch a mean number and the whole gimp/not-gimp thing wasn’t just a matter of perception. There were smart ways to spend you character creation and xp points, and there were less smart ways. The smart ways would enable you to kick the crap out of mobs, which is essentially what one does in most MMOs… and the less smart ways would have you struggling to do the same thing while wondering where you went wrong and why you were at the lifestone yet again.

(Tangent time. There’s always someone who asks “Why didn’t you just reroll?” and I’m never sure how to answer that because simply asking the question implies a wide chasm between how the asker and I approach our characters in games. Sure, lots of characters get made for the purposes of trying something out or experimenting with a given role and then usually get deleted. But in many cases, the characters I make in MMOs will gel and become characters, not just waldoes for me to manipulate in the game world, and rerolling is just plain murder. There’s a point up to which that can be done — past that point, it’s not happening. And as I said, if I have to explain it or if you’re asking, we’re probably not on the same gaming/character page to begin with.)

I demand the freedom to be a gimp!

Sure. Here, have it. There are times when we’re all happy to play a sub-optimal character, either because it’s fun or because we’re role-playing or because we’re kinky that way, or even because such a build can fill a particular specialist niche in a game, like crafting mules in AC. Whatever — when you have a classless game, you’ll have kinky-build characters. The stick insect. The quick hulk with no hit points. The mage with the enormous brain and BITE ME tattooed on his chest.

But no player in their right mind wants all kinky all the time, no matter how loftily they may speaketh of RP and how it’s only the character that matters, not the numbers. I call bollocks on that one. Most of the time you want a character that will perform consistently within the parameters of the given game, given some variance for player skill (said variance being, er, rather variable depending on what game you’re playing). Most players, for that matter, want to know that their character SmashMouth001 is almost identical to SmashMouth002, and that the only real difference between them is that SM001-player actually knows how to mash buttons and in what order, whereas poor SM002-player does not. I’m not sure I’m that happy to be part of the herd, but classes are what they are in most games and they do provide a way to compare and contrast oneself with other players when it comes to examining roles and one’s performance of said role. They also make it a damn sight easier for designers when it comes to examining metrics and seeing how one group of players is doing in comparison to another.

Beyond that, though, it was also pretty obvious pretty quickly in AC that mages — anyone with any kind of magical skills, of which there were 4 major schools — had a gigantic leg up over anyone who didn’t. Pure combat mages basically kicked everyone else’s ass, in most cases, and any character with even a smidge of magic was usually far superior (better survivability, better buffs, better heals, whatever) to a similar character who had, say, picked Person and Monster appraisal over magic.

Secret and Classless

So here’s what worries me, since I’m so busy waiting on The Secret World even though I’ve said nary a thing about it lately. (It’s playing hard to get? I’ll play blind blogger. So nerh.) From the on-site blurb:

Freeform gameplay – Experience a game that has no classes or levels. Truly freeform character customization allows you to create the alter-ego you want to play, and gameplay that goes beyond the usually rigid MMO structure allows you to play the game the way you want to play it.

Hundreds of powers – Wield fiery katanas, gold-plated pistols, and deadly automatic rifles. Learn martial arts, black magic and voodoo. Choose from hundreds of powers to create a character completely customized to your liking.

Yeah! Um… uh oh… Ack!

Now, a few of the other things that have been said do indicate that classlessness does not imply role-lessness, and if there’s one thing MMO players are conscious of these days it’s roles, perhaps even more than classes. So although you’re not called a “fighter”, it sounds like you can pick a power deck (or whatever it’ll be called) that will allow you to perform fightery-type roles, or healery-type roles, or whatever it is you want to play that day. Maybe. If it’s done right.

It’s not that it can’t be done, and that’s not what EG’s Eric is saying (mostly, I think). It’s that it’s a lot more expensive and intensive and it’s a pain in the ass once you have designed it. I can see that — that actually makes perfect sense, sadly. I’ll just have to hope that the TSW team are aware of this and have worked out how to present us with a classless, level-less system while still having some pretty rigid, manageable mechanics underneath.

I’m having trouble working out how a fiery katana is going to compete with a deadly automatic rifle, for instance. (Okay, that could just be part of the “wear what you like, it’s not what you’re actually using” appearance system they’ve been talking about… but what if it isn’t?) How are they going to avoid having a handful of optimal builds — or powersets or whatever they’ll be called — and a million gimp builds? Because for every Jane who doesn’t mind that it takes her a bit longer to kill that zombie or that she can’t down that boss because her character is gimped, there will be 999 Joes who resent that very much and will always make sure they use the best available build the community has worked out, no matter how cookie-cutter it may be. Killing shit > original build. Killing shit easily / killing elite shit > other stuff.  You get my drift. We gamers have fairly simple minds when it comes to certain mechanics.

Ultimately, classless and level-less and number-less weren’t that easy to manage even in tabletop RP, and that’s not just because we RP geeks love us some numbers and some dice*. It’s because classes and levels and numbers-based mechanics provide us with systems that help ensure at least a modicum of parity and a reasonable amount of fairness all the way around the table, both between the players themselves and between the players and the person running the game session. And indeed, a diceless RPG system is harder to set up and maintain as a GM than a more rigid system — I’ve been there. That’s not to say it isn’t rewarding, but it certainly is more difficult and more time-consuming to manage. (Players bitching that other players have more powers or can do more. Players bitching that they should be able to do A B or C, when a more mechanics-based system would enable you to just say no. Making sure confrontations are confrontational and not constant cakewalks. Et-ad-nauseam-cetera.)

I guess we’ll see, as far as TSW is concerned.

And one day there may even be a beta and I may even be in it. Shut up, vaaaaaaporwaaaarrrrre raven!

Further reading

Aim for the Head – The Skills of EVE

Psychochild – Stay Classy

Rampant Coyote – Defending the lack of Class

Tish Tosh Tesh – Classes, Trinity and Balance, Oh, My

(slightly tangential, or at least inspired by a whole different original post) Big Bear Butt – The (Un)Holy Trinity

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* Amber. Yes, I know. One exception does not actually entirely disprove the contention.

Monday Miscellanea: Linkage snippets

January 17, 2011 1 comment

This. If I were less polite I would rip the entire post and quote it here, but I won’t. I love me some Elder Game. Snippet:

Magical woman knowledge.

There is an unspoken assumption that women devs – and all women, in fact – have magical knowledge about women that can help us tap into the market of women gamers. (You knew about that, right? It’s a back-of-the-box bullet.)

Also, with appropriate hat-tip to Teki/Gruvy Munkie, and because trust me, it’s entirely true: Why working at home is both awesome and horrible. This made me snort coffee and laugh more than I have at some of the Penny Arcade stuff, even, so that’s saying something. PURE WIN. Safe for work, apart from the coffee-snorting bit — and of course, entirely SFW if you happen to work from home as I do.

And finally another WoW screenie — it’s part of a daring disguise escape attempt, but maybe you had to be there. Some people have complained about the number of cinematic cut-outs in Cataclysm, but I’ve been really enjoying them. Some of them are genuinely funny, which is something WoW has always been good at and finally exploits to the hilt in Cataclysm. More on this later, maybe.

 

Categories: Design, Misc., MMO Tags: , , , ,

Every Now And Then

January 13, 2011 1 comment

… it occurs to me how much fun I have when I’m gaming, and I remember to take a screenshot. I’ve been taking quite a few screenies in WoW of late, and while most of them aren’t blog-quality, some of them are quite fun and I am hereby inflicting them on you all.

Ironically, for a game that touts its All About The Endgame nature, WoW is amazingly good at the levelling part. It’s been about a calendar month since I came back to WoW, and my main was 55 when I did so. She’s now 82 — and yeah, that’s probably not much in a month for most people, especially in WoW, especially with the new levelling curves, but to me it still seems amazingly rapid.

The thing is, though, I don’t feel like I’ve been rushing through anything or skipping content in my level-ho attempts to climb the ladder of MMO social importance. Quite the contrary.  I’ve sampled a zone here, a quest hub there, and every time I’ve wanted to move on because a zone got tedious or because I’d just had my fill of bloooooo (Zangarmash, I’m looking at YOU!), I’ve been able to do so and find another fun and interesting place to explore.

The Cataclysm content, which I finally reached a couple of days ago, has been very similar. I could be organised and do each zone (or one of each pair) in a methodical fashion… but I’m not methodical. It’s almost a dirty word as far as my brain is concerned, and that — among other things — is why I will never be a computer programmer or a brain surgeon (though I haven’t quite given up on rocket scientist yet). So yes, I’ve been working through Vashj’ir in a relatively linear fashion, which isn’t difficult because the zone is very linearly organised, but I’ve still found ways to a) get side-tracked, b) miss quests and have to go back for them, c) accidentally enter the Horde quest hubs despite the enormous RED-NOT-ALLIANCE flags outside, and d) explore other places, like Mount Hyjal. Speaking of Hyjal, I’m not sure I like the place, but I’ll give it more than 3 quests before I make up my mind.

Okay, that’s my stab at content for the day. Have some pix.

Definitely one of the most fun vehicle-based quests EVAR

Oh wait, this one's fun too. Except I feel like I should be on the hood of a car.

AAAAAAAHHHH! I really hope they haven't seeeeen meeeeeeee!

How to literally suck players into your games. MOAR KRAKEN!

Adventures in zone design - let's add a whole nother dimension!

ProTip: Don't use the Boots of Jumping to the Surface when you're only 15' down

 

 

Categories: MMO, WoW Tags: , , , ,

Send It To Me

December 21, 2010 11 comments

I can actually remember a time before mail in games. Better yet, I remember dropping stuff on the ground in Asheron’s Call (because you could do that there) and hoping I could swap characters before a) someone else ran by and nicked my stuff or b) the landscape sweeper code made it all vanish. Hoping, at that time, that my ropey dial-up singing-modem paying-local-calls UK internet connection wouldn’t crap out and dump me out of game, metaphorically hopping up and down in a frenzy to try to get back to my stuff before it was gone forever.

Then we got housing and chests we could use for item swappage, so that pleasant little ritual ended. Whew.

Then came SWG, which boasted a mail system — because, you know, it’s a galaxy far, far away where they have decent electronics and the only medieval aspect is sartorial. (Robes and cloaks? Srsly? And we ate it up.) Problem was, rather like the chat system when the game launched, and rather like many other systems when the game launched, mail didn’t work all that well. And you couldn’t mail stuff, you could just mail words. (I think. Don’t hurt me if my memory is faulty. I only seem divine, but I’m as human and flawed as the rest of you.)

And then came WoW, with its apparently antiquated but actually rather useful mail system. And cheap. Let’s not forget cheap. In LOTRO, mailing a packet of tissues is going to cost you half a year’s looting pay, mailing armour is going to give you sticker shock, and you can only mail one item at a time. Faugh!

Okay, so the WoW mail system is pretty much just for mailing items back and forth. The text font used is barely legible and it’s not like you get enough space to do any Abelard & Heloise-level correspondence, even though you can save the text as an item to keep forever in your bags or bank space. Well, almost forever. I’d saved a message from not long after launch, where somehow I won some spontaneous Ironforge-chat competition (back when IF chat was still bearable) and a char called Mordeci kindly sent me — I can’t remember, but it was a whole wodge of money at the time. 100g? Something like that. Anyway, said saved message was still in my bank when I came back a couple of weeks ago, but couldn’t be read. I guess  even saved mail has an expiration date in WoW.

So I’ve been mailing stuff back and forth, mostly blow-uppables for my half-assed (and not only because she’s a dwarf) Enchanter alt. But I keep wondering if it’s really worth it. Crafting in WoW is painful and expensive and it’s level-limited, and my alts are mostly in their 20s and 30s, not high enough to really get any of these skills to a useful-output level. It’s probably going to be a lot cheaper for me to beg, borrow or buy what I need from much-leeter guildies who do have useful crafting skills, or from the Auction House. I should probably be selling those crappy greens I loot to some other poor bastard who wants to level their Enchanting.

Well. At least it’s not costing me much to mail.

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PS: This week, I shall be mostly titling from Emotional Rescue, probably my third favourite album of all time (though the rankings vary), partly because of the huge number of angsty teenage memories associated with it. Wonder where my vinyl went…?

Categories: MMO, WoW Tags: , ,

Spam spam spam spam spam and articles

October 30, 2010 7 comments

The spam onslaught continues. Granted, the stuff doesn’t actually make it to the posts (yay Akismet!), but it irks me even if it just sits in my spam box. Go away, spammer entity! I do not need green eggs, ham, or nekkid pix of some nubile semi-famous starlet or other. Or even of famous ones, come to think of it. It’s all photochopped anyway.

Now that that’s out of the way, here’s the link for my newer, famouser, mega-gaming-audience mind-altering column. First MMORPG.com, next the world! Come on Pinky, we have work to do. It’s just an intro — for some reason, it seems not everyone knows who I am.

Final aside, since it’s the weekend and I have things to do and people to see. Brian “Psychochild” Green & Co have been doing a game-design challenge this last month. If you don’t already read his blog, you should. Here’s a link to get you started.

In last-minute breaking news, I’m told Stargrace had snot-coloured pancakes this morning, in honour of Halloween. She claims it’s only food-colouring. Uh-huh. I’ll stick with my GrapeNuts! Her new site design, however, is anything but snotty.

That is all. Have a good weekend and do not get killed and eaten by zombie velociraptors!

Categories: Misc., Site, writing Tags: , , ,
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